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		<title>Creativity Without Conversion = 0</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand Schulman</dc:creator>
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<p>The ZiegenBock beer is going down smooth. Austin airport is a great place to wait for a flight. And, Ray&#8217;s Chuck Wagon at Asleep at the Wheel surely serves the finest briquette of beef in any airport. Dry and spicy. Country rock, courtesy of a <a href="http://www.sxsw.com/">SXSW</a> (the locals say &#8220;South &#8211; By&#8221;) band helps me collect my thoughts about the day here.</p>
<p>This is the first time for me attending the show. And it will no doubt be the first of many. Austin is Portland meets Texas &#8211; hip, clean, smart and technology enabled with a little barbeque sauce. SXSW takes over town attracting (perhaps) hundreds of thousands to the festival.</p>
<p> <span id="more-28"></span>I spoke at session titled &#8220;<a href="http://bit.ly/98NdtT">Is too Much Math Killing Marketing</a>&#8221; and debated the point with <a href="http://www.harvestdigital.com/">UK Ad Agency</a> chief Mike Teasdale who took the position that it has. Mike&#8217;s a brilliant ad guy, fast, and with biting humor so I had to be careful not to get cut up in the knife fight on stage. In Bush country, I made my points &#8211; with rhetorical shock and awe (I had to work in a Bush-ism). Actually, we&#8217;re mostly in agreement but for the sake of a good show each of us labored (or laboured as Mike would say) to support a pure position &#8211; me arguing for left brain and Mike right.</p>
<p> We didn’t really have any expectations &#8211; would this group come hear our thoughts at 9:30 in the morning on the last day of the show after four long nights of SXSW parties &#8211; the other reason people seem to go, or would we speak to a big empty room?  The answer came in loud in clear, that despite the time there was a morning thirst for an answer to the question, and we gave it our all in front of a full ballroom at the Hilton.</p>
<p> So here&#8217;s my summary. One of Mike&#8217;s main points is that data becomes a crutch for every decision, paralyzing the company and preventing it from making any daring design decisions. He made fun of some of <a href="http://www.webanalyticsdemystified.com/">Eric Petersons</a>&#8216; work around measuring visitor engagement. Now, I know and love Eric (we worked together in several firms &#8211; Web Trends and WebSideStory),  however  the audience made up mostly of interactive agency types, seemed to agree with Mike that it&#8217;s too complex.  He quoted Ogilvy and Dave Trott, &#8220;it&#8217;s better to be interesting and wrong than dull and right&#8221;.</p>
<p> And the battle lines were drawn &#8211;  Math, Reason, Data, Left brain; English, Instinct, Imagination, Right brain. Too much math stops us from taking giant leaps, &#8220;it takes imagination to take a leap into the future&#8221;, he said. There where hoots from the crowd supporting the position.</p>
<p> I started the counter point with the question &#8220;What is the Sound of Creativity When No One Can Hear It&#8221;? And quickly counter punched that the world today has changed as the internet provides us the tools and the empirical data to optimize. I followed up with the observation that, &#8220;we&#8217;re all becoming Content Engineers&#8221;. I&#8217;ve seen this movement for some years &#8211; one part creative director and what part data analyst.  Here&#8217;s what I said back in 2005 to <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/SAAS/?p=71">ZDnet</a> about the topic. This new breed needs to monitor, measure then maximize. Check out our SXSW presentation <a href="http://www.slideshare.net/asprilla/is-too-much-math-killing-marketing">here</a>.</p>
<p> But the bottom line to my math is this, <a href="http://bit.ly/cqGfQL">creativity without conversion = zero</a>. And hopefully on that point I had a KO! Regardless, the debate stirred the pot and seems to have triggered interesting tweets &#8211; #toomuchmath, and blog posts. I would be curious to hear your thoughts?</p>

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